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GarciaMarquez

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

I appreciate your works at isolating tankers. Just in case this information would be of any help, tankers would have:
- high amount of victories (3K+)
- high amount of max damage (1M+)
- high amount of max destroyed (10+)
- five high level robots
- high level weapons
- sometimes more than one hangar
- low trophies
- low league (Bronze+)

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

So, this is just an idea.

Update 3.7 is up with the Battle Rewards and all, though it hasn't active yet. I understand that it will encourage people to play their best and going up the ladder instead of down. However, I still think that tanking is still profitable. If you're a Gold player tanker, playing against Bronzes is easy. You'll be on top of the winning team and reap 10 golds, lots of silvers from high damage, etc. Winning 10 golds is a lot. If you play 20 games a day and win, and finish daily tasks too, you'll have lots of golds in short amount of time.

In battle, you know what it's like to face a way higher level of tanking opponent. You don't stand a chance! So my idea is: mark the tankers. If Pixonic makes a set of algorithm to identify them, I think it should be visible in the gameplay (e.g., a different color for the tankers' name). Seriously, you'd need a whole team of normal player to kill the tankers. I think we should make things a bit difficult for them and add a little bit of fair play to the game. Pixonic doesn't have to punish them, we–the players–will get them. And marking will also attract tankers in both teams so you'll see tankers in one team will immediately focus on the tankers in the opposing team instead of preying on weaker player.

So, why don't you make the rule, Pixonic? Define: what is tanking? What set of behaviors could be consider tanking? Then, mark them tankers. You don't even need to punish them, let the marking changes the dynamics of the game. Battle Rewards is cool but tanking is still profitable. The day to day reality in War Robots is, if you play fairly and honestly, it's hard, full of stress, almost zero fun, you get nothing. You endlessly complaining to Pixonic and reporting without knowing the result of your contribution. In contrast, tanking is easy, free of stress, fun and profitable. Players can play free and in a month get enough golds to sophisticate their hangar. This could result in damaging the business because they don't buy anything and they ruin the gameplay. So, my idea: MARK THE TANKERS. Let us do the dirty job of dealing with them, altogether.

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

That'll be great! :) Actually, after fighting so many tankers, you could identify one almost immediately and be extra careful from the beginning. Players with adequate experience will develop that sense and in some cases, players work together on attacking the tankers. I was just wondering that with an in-battle marking, collective attack would be more immediate and coordinated. I think it would result in a more challenging conditions for tankers to dominate the game play, thus giving the rest of the player a bit sense of fairness.

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

This is what so many players have been telling Pix for so long and they never listen. It's good that people like you (and me too) spend some money on the game. It makes the business running and available for us to enjoy. If you buy golds to speed up the upgrades and your overall hangar weight becomes considerably higher than your current league, that in itself is not fair for some battles ahead. If some lower level players reported you for being overpowered, you can't really blame because that's the fact they faced in the battlefield. However, I think your winning will eventually set your league to an appropriate level, so however bad your current situation is, it should be temporary.

I still don't understand why Pix wouldn't deal with the root of the tanking epidemic. Tanking involves a set of repeated behaviors. Going up and down the leagues, if shown as a chart in the statistics, will show a sinusoidal. It should be easy to detect. If you buy a huge amount of golds and speed up your upgrades, your statistics will look different. You'll go up the league, not down with deliberate poor performance. After 3.7 updates, with Battle Rewards which supposed to encourage players to go up instead of down the league, tanking is still rampant in the game. I'm only at Silver III, my total victories is less than 300, my robots and weapons are ranging from level 1-9, yet I faced opponents at the same league but their hangar is packed with maxed out dash bots and MkII weapons. How do I know that they are tankers, not paying customer like you? They have huge value in victories, sometimes they have winged trophies.

Tanking was and is still profitable. You farm golds by obliterating low level players and in this game you can convert golds into so many good and practical things. Battle Rewards is a good idea, I like it, but it doesn't make tanking decreases, let alone vanishes. You can get considerable amount of golds by tanking, you don't need to pay anything. Those tankers, they're not coward, they're greedy. I'm in a clan which opposes tanking and we fight in squad to increase our chance of winning.

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

Okay, sorry for my harsh comment, I was frustrated. My point still stand, though. In my opinion, tanking would create a specific pattern which could be detected by looking at the statistics. In league ranking, e.g., the line would look sinusoidal because they go way down and way up. In battle damage, it would go very low for so many battles and then go up drastically. I don’t believe Pixonic doesn't know this. They sure do. Question is: why Pixonic doesn't take a deliberate action in stopping the tankers once and for all by algorithm in the first place?

Spending money for in app purchase is good. I personally hope Pixonic makes good business, but why tanking? If you have heavyweight hangar, play at your league, why bully new players? You know, I tried to tank my league down myself couple of times, but it's boring and quite stupid. Repeatedly destroying your robots and suicide with you last one is boring because you have to go a long way down. Even if you do that, it doesn't guarantee you a -22, sometimes your team wins and you get +3 instead. So I don’t understand how some tankers could go so low down to Bronze 3? And some of them have got winged trophies! What a patience! I don’t have that much patience so tanking doesn't interest me but playing honestly is painful because of them tankers.

So I was thinking, why Pixonic always try to deal with the symptoms instead of taking care the root problem?

Ok, enough of my rants. One more question. Tankers reporting form is real, yes? I hope it is. I reported a lot of tankers. Today I met *four* tankers, two in my team, two in opponent's. I had to screen-capture each of them and write down their ID manually, one by one, instead of just copying one ID. It's epidemic, it's the cancer of the game. I'm looking forward to seeing Battle Rewards takes effect. And I'm still hoping all the tankers could be fed to the Lions up there. Thank you for listening. :)

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

I have a situation like this: I have met this Player ID: W17IF1 more than once. I reported him more than once. We fought in normal league. He has 7000+ victories, his hangar consist of maxed out robots and weapon (Lancelot, Bulgasari, Haechi, Kumiho, plus new and dangerous weapons), but he's only at Bronze I. In the other hand, I'm a new player. I only have 109 victories. I only have 4 robots and weapons at level 5-6. I'm at Silver II.

Playing honestly is not appreciated in War Robots. Paying a lot of money does, because you can be a tanker if you want. My question is: why he is still fighting in normal league? Has he been sent to LPQ? How do I know that my report has been processed? Why do I met this player again? He's a damn tanker and I've reported him! Three times! :(

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

It's been two months since the last time we communicated through this forum. Now 3.8 is up and I really like FFA, as so many of my clan mates. During that time, I met many-many tankers and I have only reported few of them. I thought reporting is just a waste of time. At first I reported them because it eased my frustration, a little bit, now, not anymore. I never knew what became of my reports, truth is: I think my reports are sent directly to garbage bin because in the battlefield I still meet a lot of tankers. I don't even think LPQ does exist anymore. Battle reward is cool and I appreciate it but tankers are still rampant.

What makes me write this note to you is, what else? I've been repeatedly abused by tankers in the battlefield, all golds stolen, I've got minus points and my league has been going up and down like a yo-yo. You know it just made me think. Look back at what you wrote to me in this forum, Man. None of what you wrote ever happened in the field. The developing team doesn't have any will to do a real action against tankers. Tanking is still profitable, Man, it gets you golds, a currency you can convert to many valuable things. Who cares about battle rewards when you have chests of golds to spend in discount deals everyday? Free for All, Domination, King of the Hill? It doesn't matter. Tankers prevail, and they don't spend money, Bro, they don't have to. They have all the golds. In the opposite side, I've been spending considerable amount of money to the game and what do I get?

So, this note is not a feedback. I'm just expressing my dissapointment to Pixonic and to you. Please, take a moment to look back and read your comments to my notes. Does any of what you have written come into realization in the game? No, right? Maybe that's exactly the reason why tankers are still around to this very day.

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GarciaMarquez6 years ago

You're right. Pixonic isn't stupid or unaware. It's their hypocrisy that pisses off a lot of people. It's their lip service about fair play, tankers reporting form and their act against tanking that make me sick because they never do anything concrete to solve the problem. I personally don't mind paying. I still spend moderate amount of money to this day. If there's a good deal, why not? This game is a business after all and without paying customer, it wont't be available for us to play. So, yeah you're right. Tanking and sealclubbing is just a symptom, not the real problem. Yet again, it's their hypocrisy that pisses me off. They act like they're concerned but they couldn't care less because they do absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

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