
I use a storm gust and thunder on my golem ( weather golem ) it can take down even a haichi if within 150/100 distance easy by time clips empty. You just have to use them right. With my Doc's I use a storm/orkan builds and even on my Jesse gust/alphid don't knock them before you try them setups. Yes you have to be close that's how I like to play brawler style. But nothing makes you smile when someone with a top level dash bot with shocktrains comes round corner thinking they can kill you and by time they dashed round your nuking there hp bar they can only dash back into cover in shock by which time you've killed them. Can't speak for butch don't have one but I'm sure it will work in a similar way with thermite/thunder
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